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Saturday, May 28, 2011

WIKITREE.COM..And A Possible Lead On My Dad


so, because im starting back up into family history and family tree geneaology stuff, i looked online for all the free sites (very few out there anymore) that i could go to, and either put my family tree (as i know it) or add to it (if i already have an account there).

while i was looking, i found a NEW site...WIKITREE.com

and its kind of like a WIKIPEDIA site for your family tree. and ALLOT like the WIKIFAMILYTREE idea i had myself.

anyway, its completely free and i opened an account, and added my family as much as i can remember:

me, my mom (GAY JOANNE SUITER MANNING)
my dad (ROBERT ALAN MANNING)

my grandparents (mothers) (GERTRUDE LOUISA SUITER/WILBUR RAYMOND SUITER)
my aunt (LYNN GOMORA/DAHL)
my uncles (LEE SUITER/MICHEAL SUITER)
and as many extra relatives off of these individuals as i can place with names and dates.

and, of course i hope that someone would want to lend me some info about my dad.
ive never had a hit on him, on any other website. i never in a million years ever expected to have a hit on this one either.

but tonight. i did!
i came home from picking up my son from a weekend camping trip, and looked in my email to find a COLBY MANNING had left me a message on WIKITREE.com

"Looking for information on my grandfather,

MANNING, ROBERT ALAN (birth)23 Jan 1931 (Death)21 Jun 2008 (P) 77 96720 (Hilo, Hawaii, HI)

Wondering if this might be the same one.

Thanks

Colby"

now, whats really weird, is a few days ago i sent an email off to an individual who has an email address on the LDS site FAMILYSEARCH.ORG about this same individual. waiting a reply back.
and THIS kid comes along, asking me about the very same man im inquiring about.

and...yes theres more.

if you noted the birthdate...january 23 1930, i have suspected , because i saw a calandar a long time ago i used to have but have since lost that had a notation IN january for the name "BOB" (my dad) Birthday. i thought it was noted on the 16th. and....hes older than my mother, i never knew HOW MUCH...but my mom was born in 35, so anytime before that would make him older. EVEN 1930.

the records on FAMILYSEARCH.org say he wasnt married.
but aparently he had children, because this individual who is inquiring says hes his grandson.

could this be my half nephew?
could be.
ive asked him to share with me ANY info he has about his grandfather...so we can trade info and see if theres some kind of connection.

maybe, MAYBE...ive finally found my missing link.

out of ALL the family histories for the MANNING clan, the ONLY name i can find for anywhere within the 1930s is this man ROBERT ALLEN/ALAN MANNING who passed away in 2008 in HILO HAWAII.

if this is the link, i can finally start this side of my tree.
heres to hoping!

MICHELLE

FOUND MY COUSIN JANET ON FACEBOOK




while im rooting around online for information on my dad, i also take breaks to search out info on family members i havnt talked to in years,

just did a google search for my cousin JANET SUITER, and came to a site that had several Janet Suiters (of different ages much older than her) listed, and at the bottom was one name..JANET SUITER MCDONALD and her age was listed as younger than myself. i cant remember the exact age difference between us.

so, because i hang out on Facebook allot, and have had family hit me up on Facebook, i went looking there, and low and behold, there she was!
and she looks exactly the same as she did about 20 years ago! not one day older!
and it seems she has a son. :)

i asked to connect. i need to have her moms address,


and her brothers address as well


..so i can continue on with my family tree, which does include her mothers side of the family.

well see, if she wants to connect.

MICHELLE

and SHE CONNECTED!

Friday, May 27, 2011

I NOW HAVE DREAMWEAVER CS5 FOR DUMMIES BOOK


had craig purchase this DUMMIES book about Adobe Dreamweaver Cs5, so i can get a starting knowledge of how to make a website with this program.

MICHELLE

I HAVE ADOBE DREAMWEAVER WEB BUILDING PROGRAM


i wanted this for the ability to have and utilize the BEST web building program on the planet.

so i have it now, and a world of possibilities are open to me.

MICHELLE

SO DISAPOINTED


my order for the book about part of my family history...wont be coming.

"Greetings from Amazon.com,

We're writing to inform you that your order 002-2788644-7878617 from Parnassus Book Service has been canceled because the item(s) you purchased were out of stock. Please return and place your order again at a later time.

Our sellers strive to minimize canceled orders. We're sorry for the inconvenience this has caused. Your credit card was not charged for this order. If you have any questions regarding the cancellation of this order, please contact Parnassus Book Service.

If you're still interested in this item, please search for it again on Amazon.com.

We've included your order details below for reference. We've also included the URL for the item you purchased if you'd like to try ordering from another seller.

We value you as a customer and hope you will continue shopping on Amazon.com.

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ORDER DETAILS
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1 of William Eldred of Yarmouth, Massachusetts and some of his descendants
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0006F55Q8"

MICHELLE

Sunday, May 22, 2011

WEBPAGE FOR FAMILY TREE BEING PROCESSED


ive decided to have a place for this HUGE project, i needed a web presence for it.

i went around in my mind of weather i wanted to sub domain the family tree web page off of my current existing web page (www.MichelleAWIlliamson.nativity4me.com/ "name would be here", or have its OWN page...

well, i decided to have it have its own page.
reason? i felt the "nativity4me" part would be hard to remember if someone was telling someone else where to go...now, i realize that most transactions for info would be digital, and sent over the web..but there might be a few people who might actually talk about it, and for those few and far between, i wanted the name to be easy enough...

so, i had my wonderful, dear hubby add a new domain for me...

and its currently being processed.

http://MichelleAWilliamson

and it will have a sub domain:

http://MichelleAWIlliamson/MyFamilyTree
DONT GO THERE NOW (5/21/2011) YOULL HIT A DEFAULT ERROR PAGE UNTIL ITS UP AND RUNNING...

simple enough!
and there, ill add, and post, and have everything i can find to do with every branch of my family tree..

MICHELLE

Saturday, May 21, 2011

ORDERED: "WILLIAM ELDRED OF YARMOUTH, MASSACHUSETTES & SOME OF HIS FAMILY"


ordered a family history book today:

William Eldred of Yarmouth, Massachusetts and some of his descendants [Unknown Binding]
Nelson B Eldred (Author)

cost: 50.00
shipping: 3.99
total: 53.99

cant wait to get it!

MICHELLE

Friday, May 20, 2011

RUTPURT THE STRONG


RUTPURT THE STRONG

B:
Nevers, Nievre, Bourogogne, France
D:
Brissarthe, Maine-et-Loire, Pays de la Loire, France

M:
Adelaide Princess Empire

Robert the Strong
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Map of early Frankland, showing Austrasia, where Robert the Strong originated, and Neustria, between the Seine and Loire, where he held the most power.

Robert IV the Strong (820 – July 2, 866[1]), also known as Rutpert, was Margrave in Neustria. His family is named after him and called Robertians. He was first nominated by Charles the Bald missus dominicus in 853. Robert was the father of the kings Odo and Robert I of France. Robert was the great-grandfather of Hugh Capet and thus the ancestor of all the Capetians. His father was Robert III of Worms.[2]
Contents
[hide]

1 Origins and rise to power
2 Revolt
3 War with Bretons and Vikings
4 Death and legacy
5 Sources
6 References
7 External links

[edit] Origins and rise to power

While very little is known about the beginnings of the Robertian family, historians have been able to adduce that the family of nobles had its origins in Hesbaye or perhaps from the family of Chrodegang of Metz. During the reign of Louis the German, the Robertian family moved from East Francia to West Francia. After his arrival in West Francia, Charles the Bald showed his favour of the family defecting from his enemy Louis by assigning Robert to the lay abbacy of Marmoutier in 852. In 853 the position of missus dominicus in the provinces of Maine, Anjou, and Touraine was given him and he had de facto control of the ancient ducatus Cenomannicus, a vast duchy centred on Le Mans and corresponding to the regnum Neustriae. Robert's rise came at the expense of the established family of the Rorigonids and was designed to curb their regional power and to defend Neustria from Viking and Breton raids.
[edit] Revolt

Despite the fact that he was a favoured noble of Charles, Robert joined a rebellion against the king in 858. He led the Frankish nobles of Neustria with the Bretons under Salomon in inviting Louis the German to invade West Francia and receive their homage. The revolt had been sparked by the marriage alliance between Charles and Erispoe, Duke of Brittany, and by the investment of Louis the Stammerer with the regnum Neustriae (856). These actions significantly curtailed the influence both of Salomon and Robert. Charles compensated Robert for the losses suffered in this civil war by giving him the counties of Autun and Nevers in Burgundy, which greatly enlarged his landholdings. In 856 he had to defend Autun from Louis the German following the death of Lothair I. But following Erispoe's assassination in November 857, both he and Salomon rebelled.

Louis the German reached Orléans in September 858 and received delegations from the Breton and Neustrian leaders, as well as from Pepin II. The Neustrian rebels had chased Louis the Stammerer from Le Mans, his capital, earlier that year. In 861, Charles made peace with Robert and appointed him Count of Anjou, even though he had been involved in the revolt.
[edit] War with Bretons and Vikings

While count of Anjou, Robert was able to successfully defend the northern coast against the threat of a Viking invasion. In 862 Charles granted Louis the Stammerer, his son, the lay abbacy of Saint Martin of Tours, a small benefice in comparison with the kingdom he had received in 856 (and lost in 858). The young Louis rebelled and was quickly joined by Salomon, who supplied him with troops for a war against Robert.

In 862 two groups of Vikings—one the larger of two fleets recently forced out of the Seine by Charles the Bald, the other a fleet returning from a Mediterranean expedition—converged on Brittany, where one (the Mediterranean) was hired by the Breton duke Salomon to ravage the Loire valley.[3] Robert captured twelve of their ships, killing all on board save a few who fled. He then opened negotiations with the former Seine Vikings, and hired them against Salomon for 6,000 pounds of silver. The purpose of this was doubtless to prevent them from entering the service of Salomon.[4] Probably Robert had to collect a large amount in taxes to finance what was effectively a non-tributary Danegeld designed to keep the Vikings out of Neustria.[5] The treaty between the Franks and the Vikings did not last more than a year: in 863 Salomon made peace and the Vikings, deprived of an enemy, ravaged Neustria.

Robert made war on Pepin II in his later years. In 863 he had to defend Autun again from Louis the German, this time after the death of Charles of Provence. Robert was in Neustria during 865 and 866, with Bretons and Vikings ravaging the environs of Le Mans.
[edit] Death and legacy

In 866, Robert was killed at the Battle of Brissarthe while, unsurprisingly, defending Francia against a joint Breton-Viking raiding party, led by Salomon, Duke of Brittany, and the Viking chieftain Hastein. During the battle, Robert had entrapped the Viking commander in a nearby church. Thinking he was not endangered, Robert took off his armour and began to besiege the church. Once Robert was unarmoured, the trapped Vikings launched a surprise attack and killed him before he had time to re-arm. His success against the Vikings led to his heroic characterisation as "a second Maccabaeus" in the Annales Fuldenses.

The name of Robert's wife is not attested in primary sources. According to some modern scholars[2] she was Adelaide or Adalais, a daughter of Hugh of Tours (and thus an Etichonid) and the widow of Conrad I of Auxerre (died 862), a Welf. Since Robert already had children by 862, Adelaide would have to have been his second wife. French genealogist Christian Settipani has identified the source of this identification as the unreliable twelfth-century Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne de Dijon, which was interpolated into the chronicle of Alberic of Trois-Fontaines.[6] The Europäische Stammtafeln has identified Robert's first wife as a certain Agane.[2] Whatever the facts, two of Robert's sons became kings of France: Odo and Robert.
[edit] Sources

Smith, Julia M. H. Province and Empire: Brittany and the Carolingians. Cambridge University Press: 1992. ISBN 0-521-38285-8
Hummer, Hans J. Politics and Power in Early Medieval Europe: Alsace and the Frankish Realm 600 – 1000. Cambridge University Press: 2005. ISBN 0-521-85441-2
Bradbury, Jim. The Capetians, Kings of France 987-1328. Hambledon Continuum: 2007. ISBN 978-1-85285-528-4

[edit] References

^ Robert le Fort on Medieval Lands site
^ a b c Baldwin, Stephen (2008-07-28). "Robert the Strong". The Henry Project. Retrieved 2010-10-24.
^ Einar Joranson (1923), The Danegeld in France (Rock Island: Augustana), 59–61.
^ Robert probably expected Salomon to hire them to replace the defeated Mediterranean Vikings, then to attack Neustria from two sides: with the Viking ships ascending the Loire and Breton troops invading by land.
^ In 860–1 Charles the Bald had collected a general tax to pay a Danegeld of 5,000 pounds. The king had probably authorised Robert's payment.
^ The Chronicle of Saint-Bénigne names Regine, que cum esset iuvencula fuit concubina Karoli Magni iam senioris as the wife of Roberti Fortis marchionis, but this Regina, concubine of Charlemagne, must have been born by 785 at the latest, since she had borne a son by 801. A marriage to Robert is chronologically implausible.

Thursday, May 19, 2011

SUITER FAMILY FORUM & NEWSLETTER?


i am still on the investigation of location, and cataloging my family histoy.

i was looking through some old papers i have with family names on them, and came across a set of papers my grandmother had given to me (via mail) with a family history newsletter for the SUITER clan.

were in a different day and age now, and so seeing if theres a FAMILY FORUM, or a centeral place online, seemed like the thing to do.
so, i punched in Google: SUITER FAMILY

and came up with a web page:

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/l/o/e/Joan-Loete/index.html

and on it is this information:

"Suiter Family Association

Updated March 6, 2002

Joan Loete
416 - 29th Ave. Dr.
Moline, IL 61265
(309)762-9146
anniejo60@aol.com

The Suiter Family Association was formed to promote and foster the kinship of Suiters and related families, to share the heritage of the suiter family with all who are interested, to link Suiter researchers.

It was formed in June 1983 at a reunion in Salt Lake City. A quarterly newsletter is published, featuring news about Suiters past and present. All spelling of the name - Suter, Sooter, etc. - are covered.

A reunion is held each year in a different location. The 2002 Suiter reunion will be in Wichita, Kansas July 5th, 6th,&7th. Contact Elnora Campbell at 825 Abilene, Valley Center, Kansas 67147 for more information about the reunion.

For more information about the Suiter Family Association, contact
Joan Loete, 416 - 29th Avenue Dr., Moline, IL 61265. Email: Anniejo60@aol.com."

noting the last update was in March of 2002, im a bit worried this individual isnt around anymore, but i mailed her an email just in case:

"im hoping altho, the web site says the last update to the GENEALOGY.com SUITER FAMILY was in march of 2002, that you still alive and will be able to read this.
I am related to the SUITERS, through my grandfather WILBUR RAYMOND SUITER, married my grandmother: Gertrude Louisa, Eldred.

I am very interested in doing the family history for this side of my family.

if the newsletter isnt active anymore, id like to see if there was a way I could manage a web presence for the SUITER clan, and have a central hub (or location) online for the Suiters to come for information, and family history updates.

I hope this email finds you well.

MICHELLE WILLIAMSON
(added my physical address here)"

hope i get a reply back.
id love to run a family site for my grandparents (more my grandfathers) side of the family.
it would be an honor.

MICHELLE

UPDATE:
as suspected i got the return email as UNDELIVERED.

"This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of
its recipients. The following addresses failed:

SMTP error from remote server after RCPT command:
host mailin-04.mx.aol.com[205.188.157.18]:
550 5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: aol.com"

so, it looks like i will have to form my own newsletter now, i have NO IDEA how to do this idea.
and contact every SUITER, or related family to any SUITERs that i am currently in touch with.
to pull this family tree back together into one place.

sounds easy. but it really isnt.

where theres a source of family history and genealogy online, contacts to people are very difficult. im very fortunate i have what i have.

*sigh* where to begin?

MICHELLE

Wednesday, May 18, 2011

ASK OLIVETREE GENEALOGY ANSWERED MY INQUEST..ONLINE!

Ask Olive Tree Genealogy a Question.

Do you need help finding an ancestor? Do you have a genealogy question you would like to ask me? Do you want to know where to find certain genealogy records? Let Lorine help! Every day I will choose one question to answer. Send your query about your ancestors to me then check back here to see if it has been answered. Please take a few minutes to read other queries that I've responded to so you get an idea of the kind of query most apt to be chosen.

Wednesday, May 18, 2011


Missing Person Means a Missing PIece of the Genealogy Puzzle

Michelle asked about her father
I have searched and searched and searched and searched till im all out of ability and resources to look. seriously.my father, yes...THAT close to me, is a man I cant seem to find any (if any) inforation on ANYWHERE. I come close, but because the middle name is spelled different, I don’t think its him.

his name:Robert Alan Manning (the one I find is: Robert Allen Manning)

born: sometime in the 1930s ? the other: 1931. my mom was born in 1935, and he was older than her, so hed be 1934 or before that.

married? I don’t know when to my mother (if ever)? the other: has no family so-to-speak of listed beyond himself.my mothers name when married: Gay Joanne Suiter

now, heres the tricky part:
my dad was married to at least 3 women and divorced from none of them

1 was in utah, they had 3 sons
2 was in california and had a daughter/moms name was either linda or cheryl, daughter was the oppsite name cheryl or linda
3 my mom, and me

and that’s ALL the wives I know up to me, pretty sure there were others beyond me.

on my birth certificate he lists his birthplace as: Hong Kong. my mom said he was born in San Francisco. he also listed his job as: Movie Director, he was some kind of maintenance man/janitor person

so, knowing he has a lying past...has made it hard. he supposedly has a half brother named: jesse/Jessie/jessy. his mother was supposed to have married allot of men during my fahters growing up years.his father was supposed to have killed himself in texas (date unknown)

he was in the army...im guessing after 1938-1952? if he entered at 18.

how can I even know anything about this family tree when I cant even complete the 1st leaf? id be so appreciative if you could help me and find some resolve or a small clue even..

ASK OLIVE TREE RESPONSE: Michelle, you have a lot to figure out and I am sure it's been very frustrating for you. I don't usually give advice for finding a person who might still be living (as your dad might be) because people who disappear usually don't want to be found. But your query captured my interest so I'd like to try to give you some ideas for more reesarch.

I saw another post you made online and it gave a bit more detail so I'll be referring to that as well as what you wrote to me. You mentioned that your parents were together for 2 years but you don't seem sure if they were legally married.

My first step would be to talk to your mother if she is still alive and if it won't upset her. If they were married you may be able to get a copy of the licence which should give your father's name and hopefully his parents' names. Pay close attention to any witness names as they may be relatives. Ask her who came to the wedding.

Also, ask your mom what she remembers during the time they were together - who did they hang around with? His friends? His family? Ask for names, even if they are not related. You may have better luck tracking a friend than trying to immediately find your dad.

Where did he work while they were together? Ask your mom. You might be able to find out more about him through his workplace.

Find out if he ever got mail from a relative - maybe your mother can remember who it was from or what city it was mailed from. Basically you are trying to get clues and details from anything your mom can remember from that time period.

What about your father's parents? Did your grandparents know about you? Did they ever visit? The more you talk to your mom the more she is probably going to remember.

Have you talked to your mom's family - sisters, brothers, cousins? They may know something, some little detail that will help you in your search.

If he told the truth on your birth certificate about being born in Hong Kong, then there should be a ships passenger list for his arrival in the USA. It would be interesting to know why your mom is so sure he was born in San Francisco. Perhaps he told her something of his childhood or teen years which would help you trace him.

Have you checked newspapers to see if there is anything for Robert Allan Manning? You may want to try GenealogyBank.com I would not be concerned with the spelling of Allan. It could be Alan, or Allen and still be the same man.

Sunday, May 8, 2011

SERIF WEB PLUS ESSENTIALS PROGRAM PURCHASED




i got an email the other day from Sarif, about 4 days after i downloaded a trial version of their new web page builder program, to get the premium version for 60% off retail price, making it 20.00

so, craig agreed to let me get it, cause of the price cut, and i downloaded it.

im currently re-learning this program so i can make the FAMILY HISTORY WEB PAGE idea i have.

MICHELLE

FAMILY BOOK OF ELDERED


rooting around online i had come across a few threads in some forums by people seeking to know more about the ELDRED family tree, apparently they would also be related to me somewhere in the line.

as i read i saw that there were three books that were written about the earliest of Eldreds...

one of the books is titled:

"William Eldred of Yarmouth, Massachusetts and some of his descendants" by: Nelson B. Eldred III

of course, i had to see if this boom was available to purchase.

i found 1 copy! ONE!
on amazon.com

$50.00
+ $3.99shipping

New

Seller: Parnassus Book Service

50.00 is fairly steep for a book with maybe 100+ pages. but its also priceless in my quest to have resources available and handy to pass off to future family who might want to get into genealogy.

ill have to beg for this book for a special event gift, like my anniversary in august.
tomorrow is mothers day, id sure like to be able to order it so i could make sure id own the single copy i found before someone else gets it.

MICHELLE

OTHER books of interest ill need as well:

1. Samuel Eldred and Some of His Descendants
2. William Eldred of Yarmouth, Massachusetts
3. Robert Eldred of Yarmouth and Chatham, Massachusetts
4. The Saxon House of Eldred

and whom to contact for them :

Charles Nelson Eldred288
2885 Pine Grove Court
Marietta, Georgia 30067-5617
United States
(770) 952-6597
smieldred@stupidpc.com