I THINK I HAVE FOUND A GOOD WAY TO LABEL FAMILY NAMES

so, i am always dabbling in trying to find members of my family tree, im subscribed to any number of geneaology sites, that sometimes update me with a match.

i got one suspected match the other day.
it wasnt an exact match, the name it chose was actually the father of the individual needing to be matched (or maybe it was the grandfather) to which, sent me on a quest on WIKIPEDIA for any additional info on this particualr character.

i found something, then decided to look at the other links provided by google.

when i hit one page i was mesmerized.
not by the family history, but the way they catagorized everyone.

heres the way they did it:

KNYVETT

[KNYV311] Otomar Knyvett m. [MONN352] Emma Dammartin

. [KNYV321] Alfred Knyvett m. Gundreda

. . [KNYV331] Edmund Knyvett m. Amabel Furnivall

. . . [KNYV341] Drugo Knyvett m. Florence le Stonner

. . . . [KNYV351] Manfred Knyvett m. Isabella Stanhope

. . . . . [KNYV361] Manser Knyvett m. Margaret de Ellesworth

. . . . . . [KNYV371] John Knyvett m. Jennetta

. . . . . . . [KNYV381] Thomas Knyvett m. Millicent Benford

. . . . . . . . [KNYV391] Lord John Knyvett of Southwick m. Mabel Horton

. . . . . . . . . [KNYV401] Sir John Knyvett m. [LAXT395] Joanna Engayne

. . . . . . . . . . [KNYV411] Richard Knyvett m. [WOUR412] Joan Wourch

. . . . . . . . . . . [KNYV421] Sir John Knyvett, Lord Chancellor m. [BASW422] Eleanor Basset

. . . . . . . . . . . . [KNYV431] Sir John Knyvett m. [BOTE432] Joan de Botetourt

. . . . . . . . . . . . . [KNYV442] Margaret Knyvett m3. [ECHI541] Sir Thomas Echingham

29.  [KNYV311] Otomar Knyvett (born at Launceston, Cornwall, c.1040, possibly with Danish ancestry), married [MONN352] Emma Dammartin (born c.1944, daughter of Nicholas Dammartin, see MONTDIDIER COUNTY). He was hereditary Constable of Launceston Castle, and resisted William the Conqueror, thereby losing the castle which was then given to [CONT321] Count Robert of Mortain (see CONTEVILLE).

28.  [KNYV321] Alfred Knyvett (born c.1065), married Gundreda (daughter of 29. Count Ralph).

27.  [KNYV331] Edmund Knyvett (born c.1090), married Amabel Furnivall (daughter of 28. Osbert Furnivall).

26.  [KNYV341] Drugo Knyvett (born c.1115), of Southwick, near Oundle (Northants), married Florence le Stonner (daughter of 27. Hugh le Stonner).

25.  [KNYV351] Manfred Knyvett (c.1140), of Southwick, married Isabella Stanhope (daughter of 26. Lord Osbert of Stanhope).

24.  [KNYV361] Manser Knyvett (born c.1164), of Southwick, married Margaret de Ellesworth (daughter of 25. John de Ellesworth).

23.  [KNYV371] John Knyvett (born c.1189), of Southwick, married Jennetta.

22.  [KNYV381] Thomas Knyvett (born c.1214), of Southwick, married Millicent Benford.

21.  [KNYV391] Sir John Knyvett, Lord of Southwick, married Mabel Horton (daughter of 22. Sir William Horton).

20.  [KNYV401] Sir John Knyvett, married Johanna Engayne (daughter of [LAXT395] Sir William Engayne of Southwick, see LAXTON). John thereby became Lord of Southwick.

19.  [KNYV411] Richard Knyvett (born c.1300), of Southwick, Northants, married (c.1319) [WOUR412] Joan (born c.1306, daughter of 20. [WOUR401] Sir Richard Wourch). He died c.1355.

18.  [KNYV421] Sir John Knyvett (born 1323), of Winwick Manor, Hunts, (11 miles south-east of Southwick),  was Chief Justice of the King's Bench, Lord Chancellor of England (c.1366), and married (c.1345) [BASW422] Eleanor Basset (daughter of Lord Ralph, see WELDON). He died February 1381.

17.  [KNYV431] Sir John Knyvett (born c.1358) married (c.1408) [BOTE432] Joan (daughter of Sir John Botetourt of Mendlesham, Suffolk, see BOTETOURT).

• 16. [KNYV442] Margaret (daughter of John) married 1. (c.1410) Sir Robert de Tye (died 8th October 1415); then 2. Sir Thomas Marny (died 1420-21); then 3. (1421-24) [ECHI541] Sir Thomas Echingham (see ECHINGHAM BARONY).

what i wanted to note was the name tags this individual used for the members of that family line.
KNYVETT is denoted with: [KNYV#]

got me to thinking..
if i was to do my family line, starting with me, id do it like this:

Michelle Alane MANNING [MANN1]
Married: Daniel Matthew CARMICHAEL [CARM1]/[WILL2]
     child:  Daniel Alan CARMICHAEL [CARM2] *note: adopted by Crai\g Staurt WILLIAMSON [WILL1] [MANN1] 2nd husband to Michelle Alane MANNING [MANN1]
Married: Craig Stuart WILLIAMSON [WILL1]
     child: Daniel Alan WILLIAMSON [WILL2]
F: Robert Alan MANNING [MANN2]
M: Gay Joanne SUITER [SUIT1]
     F:Wilbur Raymond SUITER [SUIT2]
     M: Gertrude Louisa ELDRED [ELDR1]
           F: Leonard Peter ELDRED [ELDR2]
           M: Johanna CONCHIN [CONC1]
so i have

MANNINGS:

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[MANN1] Michelle Alane MANNING

[MANN2] Robert Alan MANNING

SUITER

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[SUIT1] Gay Joanne SUITER

[SUIT2] Wilbur Raymond SUITER

ELDRED

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[ELDR1] Gertrude Louisa ELDRED

[ELDR2] Leonard Peter ELDRED

CONCHIN

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[CONC1] Johanna CONCHIN

WILLIAMSON

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[WILL1] Craig Stuart WILLIAMSON

[WILL2] Daniel Alan WILLIAMSON

CARMICHAEL

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[CARM1] Daniel Matthew CARMICHAEL

[CARM2] Daniel Alan CARMICHAEL

seems to be a way easier (for me, anyway) too keep track of each member.
i believe ill be adopting this method.

if we run it the way you see this other family branch run for myself it would look like this:

[MANN1] Michelle Alane MANNING m. [CARM1] Daniel Matthew CARMICHAEL
 c: [MANN2] Daniel Alan CARMICHAEL *Note: also tagged under the tag: [WILL2]

[MANN1] Michelle Alane MANNING m. [WILL1] Craig Stuart WILLIAMSON
 c: [WILL2] Daniel Alan WILLIAMSON *Note: also tagged under the tag : [CARM2]

thats just me,
my ex husband (Daniel Matthew CARMICHAEL [CARM1]),
my current husband (Craig Stuart WILLIAMSON [WILL1],
and our son (and thats for both husbands, because my current husband adopted my son)
Daniel Alan CARMICHAEL [CARM2] /WILLIAMSON  [WILL2]

it seems to flow in a way my brain can actually understand it better.


MICHELLE

NEWS - 1940 CENSUS DATA FRENZY OVERLOADS NATIONAL ARCHIVES WEBSITE

1940 census data frenzy overloads National Archives' website 

 

 

BY ZEKE CAMPFIELD zcampfield@opubco.com | Published: April 3, 2012    

Historians and genealogy aficionados anxious to glean new information about America in 1940 were stymied Monday by something uniquely 21st century — the Internet.
Data collected during the 1940 census is available for the first time at the U.S. National Archives' website, but a high volume of traffic at the site shut down the site's servers and made it nearly impossible to view any of the 3.8 million digital images compiled from the survey.
Oklahomans disappointed to put off their fact-finding mission for another day might take comfort in knowing it was an outage that affected the entire nation.
“It's not you; it's us,” said Miriam Kleiman, spokeswoman for the National Archives. “We had so much more interest than anyone anticipated.”
Kleiman said the site logged more than 22 million hits during the first four hours the information was available Monday.
The 1940 census is the largest amount of digital information ever released by the National Archives, she said.
But the Internet and its limitations was hardly an imaginable idea for the people who lived and worked through one of Oklahoma's toughest decades.
Personalize historyBob Blackburn, director of the Oklahoma Historical Society, said the information will help personalize several important facets of the state's history, from the Great Depression to the beginnings of World War II.
In addition to general demographic, education and residential information collected, the 1940 census was the first to incorporate advanced statistical techniques that allowed for more specific questions to be asked.
Among new categories for that year: employment status, occupation and condition of housing stock.
Blackburn said the census also for the first time asked participants where they were living five years prior, a number which in Oklahoma and in California likely will reflect the story of a great migration — from rural farmlands to urban cities, and from the Plains states west.
Blackburn's parents and grandparents in Rogers and Grady counties were among those, he said.
“Some went back to Arkansas, some went to California, but almost everybody left the farm,” Blackburn said.
“This helps us trace that migration, which was really a turning point for the 20th century and really a turning point for many families.”
City growthPreliminary data show that while the rest of the state was suffering, Oklahoma City actually grew during the 1930s.
General census numbers indicate the city's population was up more than 19,000 from 1930 to nearly 205,000 people despite near collapses in agricultural and oil industries.
Skyscrapers were constructed downtown. Automobiles and an interurban train system pushed the working class from downtown to the suburbs, many which had not yet been annexed.
By 1940, the city had incorporated above NW 23, but zoning issues were common where business centers were established in the tight spaces between some of the city's oldest residential areas.
Traffic and zoning was a nightmare as development continued in these midcentury suburban business centers.
A former real estate official complained in The Oklahoman of the city's “too-lenient policy of zoning,” and said new business development on the north side of the road could negatively impact property values for the homes on the south side.
But for many, historical context is less important than actual family history when it comes to delving through the 1940 census data.
It could be your parents or your grandparents — or even yourself, if you are old enough — but the handwritten survey answers from 70 years ago are certain to stir nostalgia in folks looking to reconnect with their past.
‘Genealogical geek'Buddy Johnson, who coordinates the Oklahoma Collection at the downtown library, said he will use the data to catch a glimpse of his father, who lived in Dewey County in 1940.
“When 1910 came back, I found out my grandpa was not born where he said he was born, so you can find little surprises sometimes,” Johnson said.
“It's just kind of interesting that now I can search people that I know; people I've spoken to are on the census. It's a genealogical geek thing, but it's kind of interesting.”
Blackburn said these geeks comprise by far the most dedicated users of state Historical Society resources.
That's why, he said, Monday's overload of the National Archives servers should come as no surprise.
“It's like this addiction to more information — like you're hunting for gold and every little nugget out there is extremely important,” he said.

NEW - 1940 CENSUS GOES ONLINE, SEARCH FOR YOUR FAMILY HISTORY

Apr. 03, 2012

1940 census goes online; search your family history

 

By Rebecca Trounson - Los Angeles Times

LOS ANGELES — The federal government unlocked a treasure trove of U.S. history Monday, allowing researchers, genealogists and the public free online access to detailed information from the 1940 census.
Every 10 years, a decennial census becomes public, once a legally required 72-year waiting period has elapsed. But this one is different, officials say, not least because it's the first time the records have been made available online.
“There's a little more excitement this time because it is being released online and it's immediately available to people,” said Rebecca Warlow, 1940 census project manager at the National Archives and Records Administration. “Anybody with Internet access can sit with their PC or desktop and search to their heart's content.”

About 21 million Americans of the 132.2 million counted in 1940 are still alive, census officials say.
The 1940 census may also be of special interest to many because it was taken as the country was coming out of the Depression, a tumultuous era with resonance these days as the U.S. recovers from another time of economic hardship.
The information being released includes people's names, ages, addresses, marital status and number of children. It also includes occupations and, for a sample of respondents, how much they earned.
The site will not be searchable by names, but those looking for relatives, or themselves, can plug in an address or approximate location to find the right “enumeration district” – the area a census taker covered – to start their search.
Then, armed with the district's number, researchers can locate and browse the scanned images of the logs handwritten by the census workers to find the names and addresses they are seeking. The page images can also be downloaded and shared via social media.
The website is: www.1940census.archives.gov.

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I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS! 1940 CENSUS RECORDS

1940 U.S. Census FREE At WorldVitalRecords.com

As of April 2, 2012, the 1940 U.S. Census will be available on WorldVitalRecords.com. After 72 years you will get access to records of over 132 million people and learn in detail about the generation that survived the Great Depression and won World War II.

The 1940 Census includes information on: Names Relations Age Household Gender Education Location Race Place of Birth ...and other facts unique to the 1940 census: Residence in 1935 Detailed income and occupation Supplemental questions for 2 people on each form  this will be the 1st official record i can scour, for ANY info about my dad. find out if he was in San Francisco 5- 10 years past his birth. find out the names of his parents. find out if he has any siblings at all, especially one named jessie/jesse/jessy. (if they were born then) to me this can garner allot of the past into the right-here-and now for me. cant wait till tomorrow. i just pray, i can find SOMETHING! Michelle

IS IT POSSIBLE?

so in my last post i was saying that i know someone at church whos mother may have found info on my father.
i didnt get my hopes up, and im still not.

tonight i was at church, so was this individual, whom i asked about this info.
she said her mother was almost positive she had found my dad, but needed some of MY family history to make sure. not sure why. but, ok. i gave what i could remember off the top of my head to her. numbers, dates, locations, i cant remember, i do good to remember 3 gernerations back on my grandmothers side the names of these people..lol

i asked if this indivdual she thought was my dad was alive, or dead. and the answer came back: dead.

im greatful for that because it means i dont have to wonder. i can move past it and go from there.
at the same time. im diapointed i never got to know the man, or ask that one question : "why didnt you love me enough to stay around?"
i have to say, im pleased i dont have to go through the emotional stuff with the latter. i dont know if id handle it too well.

heck, who knows. this ndividual might not even be my father to begin with.
but...what if it is.

ya know? i have never really thought much about looking past him, i mean ive thought about the names of his mother and father, and putting this data into a space to be held, so its recorded, but i have never thought much about who they are. what they were like.
His mother would have been born around the same time as my grandmother.
1900s
i wonder what she was like.
if she was kind like my moms mother (my grandmother) was.
or was she more like my mother.
i may never know. that family line may never go any further than my fathers name.

i guess, we shall see.

MICHELLE

COULD IT POSSIBLY BE? somone has found my fathers line?

the way this all came about was, to me happenstance, im sure to God (or what youd call your Higher Power, if you believe in one) it was by design.

im a Family History Consultan in my church. i was called to help oher people assist them in finding thier family trees, so they can complete them as much as possible.
the entire time, i have felt very...sad about being in there. i go into the class, and i have a heavy heart. dont want to be there, just about cant do anything to keep me in the room, if i can manage to get out, i want out.
and thats all because being in there breaks my heart because i want to find my dad.

so, we, as a class have come too see that the time frame we have to have class in, 50 minutes isnt long enough to do everything: watch a sort video, go over the book, and then get online to do any family history.
a couple of sundays ago, craig and myself and another family history consultant was in class and there was no one there to have class with.
the bishop (preacher man) walks by, asks what were doing.
we said we were waiting for ppl to come to class, if they wanted to.

he ran a list of names by us, with only a few ever having attended.

and i mentioned to him, im available wednesday nights to be at church to be available for anyone who might want to do any family history, if he thought that was a good idea.
to which he did.

so, this past wednesday (2nd one i was there since i mentioned to bishop) i was there, again waiting for anyone to come to find out about family history stuff, do any.
and one of the sisters i have just started to talk too and i were talking, and i cant remember how we got to this part of the conversation, because we started out talking about food storage...i mentioned i cant find my dad anywhere online.

and she told me wed meet the following wednesday, hook up on her cell with her mother, and have her mother run some data and see if she can find this elusive man.
sounded like a plan. i didnt have any more hope than any other time. but i figured it was worth a shot. this ladys mother has been doing this for 30 years. so, whats to lose, right?

well, i connected to the lady i was talking to on Facebook, and all day we have been chatting, i gave the info over to her, to hand off to her mother...went to take a nap.
came back, this ladys asking me to get in touch with her cause she has to aks me some more stuff, her moms on a trail!

ON A TRAIL!
OF A MAN NAMED ROBERT ALAN MANNING!
USING ONLY THE DATA I HAVE GIVEN!
IS IT POSSIBLE?
how can it be?
ive had really good people look for him and get No where. it has become such a struggle im beginning to think this mans name ISNT the one i have on my birth certificate!

yet, some complete stranger can find him? like that?
if its true...its not a coincidence! its devine!

all i want is some data, then i can go from there.
his birthday, birth place, mothers name, fathers name. i think i can go from there.

at least if i know if hes dead or alive, i can work with that too.

but what do i do if he is alive? should i contact him? asking for family history? im not sure i want to talk to him.
id ask him 1 question "WHY?" why wasnt he in my life?
pretty sure i know the answer that hes gonna give.

in all honesty, id prefer he be passed away, less drama and thought.
i can have closure, and get my mother and father sealed to each other, to be able to be sealed to them..

COULD IT BE POSSIBLE?

Michelle

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